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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 21st, 2017, 10:58 am

Well that's a really fantastic issue. I somehow broke Firefox's ability to play videos. Even while playing local videos Firefox has this annoying habit of causing them to skip if a page is loading too slowly. That happened today except the page wouldn't finish loading because someone was using a really shit image host. Eventually the video just stopped playing period and now nothing I try is working to make Firefox play videos again. Cleared my cache, restarted Firefox, checked the video locally outside of Firefox, tried Youtube too. The video works outside Firefox but not inside. And Youtube now fails to work as well. It'll just sit there trying to load the video forever. Does the same thing with mp3s.

Edit: And now I fixed it by restarting through the "restart with addons disabled" option then "restart with addons enabled" from there?? I'd already tried restarting it so I'm not sure why restarting it that specific way worked.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 21st, 2017, 1:11 pm

I still have no idea why the hell it happens but I've apparently narrowed it down to a specific image/video hosting site. The main forum I frequent makes use of a ridiculous number of hosts including one called mymixtape.moe. I've broken Firefox's video support and had to do the above steps to fix it several times now but I've noticed that each and every single time it's happened since the first time it's been on a page that was taking a long time to load and it was specifically stuck loading some garbage from that site. So eays enough fix. I just blocked the site altogether through uMatrix.

Edit: Or not... After blocking that one I went and loaded another thread on the site and they randomly broke again. I really don't know why the fuck this randomly started happening. It's not like Firefox even updated or anything.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby chridd » May 21st, 2017, 2:54 pm

I've had similar issues, and they seem more common after a recent update (53 I think), but restarting Firefox always fixes it for me and my suspicions about the cause would have made it Mac-specific (so they might be separate issues). Do any of your addons have anything to do with audio or video?

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 21st, 2017, 5:16 pm

chridd wrote:I've had similar issues, and they seem more common after a recent update (53 I think), but restarting Firefox always fixes it for me and my suspicions about the cause would have made it Mac-specific (so they might be separate issues). Do any of your addons have anything to do with audio or video?

I'm on 53.0.2 here myself. And the only addon I have that does anything with audio or videos is Magic Actions for Youtube which definitely wouldn't be the cause here. The most confusing parts here are that Firefox has updated (apparently today which I just found out when I went to check the exact release date for 53.0.2) but my version is two weeks old and I only started having this issue today. The other weird part is that simply restarting Firefox doesn't fix the issue. I can only fix it by restarting Firefox with addons disabled then re-enabling them.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 24th, 2017, 10:08 pm

Neat, so I may have ended up calling the perpetrator in P4's storyline from early on unless this ends up being another false lead. Fairly major spoilers obviously:
Adachi is someone I suspected from very early in the game. I could never quite place why but something about him just totally rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning. Namatane is someone I suspected was at least involved in some way and the way he was acting inside the TV world actually did convince me it was him for awhile (because he was too panicked to make actual sense and came across as a total lunatic instead, lol) but I'd caught the bit that Naoto did during the crash scene bit as well. I just hadn't actually considered its implications until well after the fact since I was too distracted with rescuing Nanako. I knew from basically the second King Moron's death was announced that his killer was a copycat too.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Glitch » May 24th, 2017, 11:15 pm

That's a bit of a worry off my shoulder.
So my doctor referred me to a program at least a year ago that pairs you with a personal trainer, who you work out with for five days a week for eight weeks. Today was the fitness assessment, and I had a problem about the program - I'm supposed to be getting my wisdom teeth out the second day of it. The doctor for the program I had seen beforehand said 'Oh you don't have to worry about anything, you'll be fine, and you don't want to go to the bottom of the waiting list' and I'm sitting here like, dude, I'm getting minor surgery. What part of that do you not understand? I'm not SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING STRENUOUS.
So, at the beginning of the assessment, I brought it the problem with my personal trainer, and she said 'Well, that's unfortunate, but I'll see about pushing you to the next one instead of this one so you can heal' and I'm like WHY couldn't someone have done this before the tests??? Either way, she contacted the head of the program and is awaiting a response, but sees no reason why it can't be done because of my circumstances. She agreed, and so did I, that it's a waste of time to do the assessment today, since things could change in a few months. She did give me some info on the program and the forms I needed, but other then that, sent me on my way, for now.
Sucks that I can't do the program now, but there's no way in hell I could exercise after getting four wisdom teeth out. So thank god for SOMEONE understanding my situation.
Super excited for when I can do it, though!

edit: Just got an email back from my personal trainer. The program is completely fine with it! Nice!

Alice wrote:Neat, so I may have ended up calling the perpetrator in P4's storyline from early on unless this ends up being another false lead. Fairly major spoilers obviously:
Adachi is someone I suspected from very early in the game. I could never quite place why but something about him just totally rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning. Namatane is someone I suspected was at least involved in some way and the way he was acting inside the TV world actually did convince me it was him for awhile (because he was too panicked to make actual sense and came across as a total lunatic instead, lol) but I'd caught the bit that Naoto did during the crash scene bit as well. I just hadn't actually considered its implications until well after the fact since I was too distracted with rescuing Nanako. I knew from basically the second King Moron's death was announced that his killer was a copycat too.

Not gonna say if you're right or wrong, cause spoilers.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 25th, 2017, 2:48 am

Glitch wrote:That's a bit of a worry off my shoulder.
So my doctor referred me to a program at least a year ago that pairs you with a personal trainer, who you work out with for five days a week for eight weeks. Today was the fitness assessment, and I had a problem about the program - I'm supposed to be getting my wisdom teeth out the second day of it. The doctor for the program I had seen beforehand said 'Oh you don't have to worry about anything, you'll be fine, and you don't want to go to the bottom of the waiting list' and I'm sitting here like, dude, I'm getting minor surgery. What part of that do you not understand? I'm not SUPPOSED TO DO ANYTHING STRENUOUS.
So, at the beginning of the assessment, I brought it the problem with my personal trainer, and she said 'Well, that's unfortunate, but I'll see about pushing you to the next one instead of this one so you can heal' and I'm like WHY couldn't someone have done this before the tests??? Either way, she contacted the head of the program and is awaiting a response, but sees no reason why it can't be done because of my circumstances. She agreed, and so did I, that it's a waste of time to do the assessment today, since things could change in a few months. She did give me some info on the program and the forms I needed, but other then that, sent me on my way, for now.
Sucks that I can't do the program now, but there's no way in hell I could exercise after getting four wisdom teeth out. So thank god for SOMEONE understanding my situation.
Super excited for when I can do it, though!

edit: Just got an email back from my personal trainer. The program is completely fine with it! Nice!

You would think that a doctor, whose entire area of expertise is understanding the human body, would have realized that this would be an issue... Good that it sounds like it turned out fine in the end though.
Not gonna say if you're right or wrong, cause spoilers.

Actually got through that already. And ended up going with the true ending since I apparently was capable of pulling it off since I had to look up Yukiko's location for the outro deal. I mean how the hell was I supposed to guess I could visit her inn using the bus stop when the only purpose the bus stop has served the entire game was to go to the daycare job and Yukiko always appeared in the school's entrance hall for hanging out??

As for my being right or wrong:
Can't say I'm too surprised at this result. It just happened in a slightly different order than I was expecting. I knew that catching Adachi wasn't going to answer all the mysteries behind the Midnight Channel, just those murders. I just wasn't expecting all of that to be something you can even miss since it kinda seems like a vital part of the story. Haven't actually finished it still though. I stopped at the entrance to the final dungeon to take a break for a little bit. I may end up putting off the dungeon until tomorrow actually since I'll only be up a few more hours and this game has, at times, proven itself far wordier than Persona 3. Also oops. I was meaning to at the very least max out Rise's social link before finishing the game but I kinda ended up running out of time since I wasn't expecting the game to actually end quite when it did. Especially since someone on the talkhaus mentioned that I was only about 2/3rds through the game earlier...

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Though the only ones I ever actually end up using are Alice (for normal battles), Saturnus (for bosses), and Cybele usually when facing a boss and either Yukiko's healing (not an issue since Adachi's dungeon though what with learning mediarahan and salvation) or Saturnus' ice weakness becoming a concern. Michael, Garuda, and Abaddon are personas I went out of my way to get but never ended up actually using. Michael has megidola and can learn megidolaon. My Garuda ended up with wind, ice, and fire element spells. Abaddon got chosen for similar reasons. He ended up with only ice and fire but he has good strengths. Null fire, strong vs. ice, repels dark, and is weak to light but he learned endure light when I got him. I never did manage to level up Saturnus enough for evade ice or Alice for endure light and Die For Me though. Maybe I'll cheat to get them some more levels before finishing or something.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 26th, 2017, 7:48 pm

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I agree, totally worth it. I've legitimately had people say that kind of thing to me and it's one of the most infuriating things ever.


Oh man, I'm the exact same way! All the stupid in the world, how I'd love to crush it like a bug...literally Image! With my 5-inch heels scaled up to me-being-a-mile-tall-giantess size Image! Going all Iris Heart on the stupid would probably be wonderful too Image! Ohhohohohohohohohoho Image (I should learn to laugh like that and make it convincing...that's kinda the signature laugh of a crazy, evil, dominant lady!)


Actually, thinking about it some more, well...my main temptation wouldn't be to kill those idiots, but rape them until they begged to die Image! Ohohohohohohohohohoho Image!

Man, I'm a scary girl, huh? You know what's funny: I read a story a while back arguing that no one deserves to be raped. Even rapists. I should probably see if I can find that story. Besides, it's yuri rape porn Image! Interestingly, the victim is a rapist herself, and the way the story's written, you feel for her, so that's how you know how serious that story is. Kinda a "Tales from the Crypt" sort of deal, too, with how the story's framed, although less "overtly scary" and more "make you think".

EDIT: Hopefully I'm not going...too far...with this :tundecided: . But I found the story I was referring to. Can't link it, though, seeing as it's definite M-rated.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 28th, 2017, 3:15 pm

Hey guys? Remember way back when I did the "Make a Wish and Have It Corrupted" game here?

Well, the thread's long dead, so it'd be awkward for anyone to start posting in it again, but I thought of one more wish: I wish everything were sexy Image!

How would you corrupt that?
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby chridd » May 28th, 2017, 3:42 pm

Then asexual sex-repulsed people will get a lot of unwanted attention.
And/or unsexy people would look just as unsexy as before because there's no unsexier people for comparison.

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 28th, 2017, 5:02 pm

chridd wrote:Then asexual sex-repulsed people will get a lot of unwanted attention.


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And/or unsexy people would look just as unsexy as before because there's no unsexier people for comparison.


But...if everything is sexy, then that'd mean there wouldn't be any unsexy people anymore. Because they'd be included in that wish's effects, due to being part of "everything". So they'd be sexified up. Or people's tastes would just change to accommodate them :tundecided: .

(P.S. Sorry if the first bit came off a little...harsh. I don't really mean to disgust anyone any more than I have to :tundecided: .

But, you know, it might help to come up with something that'd make *me* regret that wish. I thought that was the point of the game? I can think of a few consequences of a world where everything, and I mean literally EVERYTHING (hint, hint!), is sexy, that I would regret. But I don't want to say my ideas out loud now, until I see at least one idea from someone else)
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby chridd » May 28th, 2017, 5:20 pm

EarthPhantomTS wrote:But...if everything is sexy, then that'd mean there wouldn't be any unsexy people anymore. Because they'd be included in that wish's effects, due to being part of "everything". So they'd be sexified up. Or people's tastes would just change to accommodate them :tundecided: .
I'm saying that the standards of sexiness would be raised. Unsexy people would still be sexier than they were before, but they'd still be unsexy compared to everyone else, who is now even sexier.

EarthPhantomTS wrote:(P.S. Sorry if the first bit came off a little...harsh. I don't really mean to disgust anyone any more than I have to :tundecided: .
Don't worry about it. I don't want sex myself, and don't personally want to be seen as sexy, but I'm fairly okay now with hearing and talking about it (at least, more than I would have been, like, ten years ago).

EarthPhantomTS wrote:But, you know, it might help to come up with something that'd make *me* regret that wish.
I was thinking of mentioning that wish could be interpreted in such a way that all trans women get super-sexy super-muscular super-masculine male bodies, and all trans men get super-sexy super-large-breasted super-feminine female bodies (and all non-binary people get very unandrogynous bodies as well, obviously), but I don't think I could bring myself to do that.

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 28th, 2017, 10:24 pm

Got around to finishing Persona 4 today. I have to say the final boss was actually a lot easier than I was expecting even considering that my party was a lot higher level than my P3 party was.  Izanami  just didn't match up to Nyx Avatar at all. My persona and such at the end:

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Most of these I never used, as I mentioned before. Alice was non-boss stuff and Saturnus is what I used throughout the entire boss fight. Edit: Also it turns out Alice learns Megidola in P4 which is really useful. Her only non-dark spell before was basic garu.

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Yukiko was the single most important npc in the party. Her focus on fire was a good combo with Saturnus (especially since she has fire break) plus she's my primary healer. Plus she was actually one of the heaviest hitters in the party. Kanji hits harder with high level physical skills but unlike Yukiko, who has maragidyne, he's only capable of hitting one target at a time with those.
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Yukiko and Kanji were both useful but nowhere near as important as Yukiko. The biggest reasons I kept them in the party throughout the endgame was a combination of already being much higher level than Teddy, Naoto, and Yosuke plus the fact that unlike Yukiko whose second persona still has a weakness to ice, both of them lose their weaknesses with their second persona.
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Would've liked to have finished her social link before beating the game to see how her second persona differs from Himiko. Relaxing wave is like the best skill in the game though. It restores 5% SP at the end of each battle. Also I think the skill third eye is partly broken. It's supposed to tell you if your attack is ineffective against an enemy or not when you target it but I've noticed that it's only reliable for mainline elemental spells. Special elemental spells such as Ragnarok (severe fire damage against one target, a level above agidyne) tend not to show weaknesses and resistances. Same with Alice's Die For Me! spell. It sometimes shows correctly but frequently doesn't.

And my weakest party member by a long shot:
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I replaced him the first moment I could and never used him again. He's also my weakest social link of the main party.

I also ended the game with 63% personas completion. I was going to go for at least 75% but after realizing that my entire set of personas basically all fused into the same exact set of personas I'd already obtained other than Asura and Metatron (my Metatron in fact came from a failed fusion to obtain Asura, lol...) I decided not to waste my time. Though before I left I did stumble across this which I found hilarious:
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Metatron+Abaddon+Cybele at level 71 results in a bog standard level 64 Cybele for some reason. And you can see a decent chunk of the available persona fusions I had there too. Suparna, Loki, Yurlungur, and Masakado are all personas I've already obtained. Suparna and Yurlungur (maybe Masakado, I forget) are personas obtainable from arcana chances in this area. As are Saturnus, Belial, Baal Zebub, and a bunch of others I already had.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Speedless » May 29th, 2017, 3:00 am

I'm not sure I understand how YouTube decides to load videos. When a video is fully loaded from beginning to end, as far as I can tell, nothing can make it unload short of me closing the tab--but every once in a while, while a video is still only partially loaded, the buffer will spontaneously disappear. There have been instances where it seemed like just pausing the video at the wrong time unloaded the entire buffer. And this is with the quality manually set, so it doesn't seem like it should be trying to switch to a different video quality...

Alice wrote:Got around to finishing Persona 4 today. I have to say the final boss was actually a lot easier than I was expecting even considering that my party was a lot higher level than my P3 party was.  Izanami  just didn't match up to Nyx Avatar at all.

Well, a two-form boss with around 11000 total HP will usually have trouble measuring up to a fourteen-form boss with more than 25000 total HP and Moonless Gown. :pwink: Congratulations on winning the game!

Yukiko was the single most important npc in the party. Her focus on fire was a good combo with Saturnus (especially since she has fire break) plus she's my primary healer. Plus she was actually one of the heaviest hitters in the party. Kanji hits harder with high level physical skills but unlike Yukiko, who has maragidyne, he's only capable of hitting one target at a time with those.

Yep, gotta have a healer. I think both LPs I've seen used Yukiko for that because she's so good at it. (In fact, I think they both used Chie as well. Also Yosuke, but considering what you've said about him, I'm not surprised he's not in your party. Smashing a folding chair on the heads of your enemies seems preferable in that case.)

Also I think the skill third eye is partly broken. It's supposed to tell you if your attack is ineffective against an enemy or not when you target it but I've noticed that it's only reliable for mainline elemental spells. Special elemental spells such as Ragnarok (severe fire damage against one target, a level above agidyne) tend not to show weaknesses and resistances. Same with Alice's Die For Me! spell. It sometimes shows correctly but frequently doesn't.

That's a surprising oversight. I would have guessed that they would just look up the element of the skill you were about to use. There aren't any skills that have unusual elemental properties (like Flying Press and Freeze-Dry in Pokemon), are there?

Metatron+Abaddon+Cybele at level 71 results in a bog standard level 64 Cybele for some reason.

I guess the occasional overlap like this is inevitable when most fusions are based solely on the Personas' arcana and levels. I'm reminded of the breeding system in Dragon Warrior Monsters, where you can combine the extremely early-game SpotSlime with a late-game Beast like a WildApe... and just get another SpotSlime out of it, because there's no special Slime family + WildApe or SpotSlime + Beast family breeding.

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 29th, 2017, 3:29 am

Speedless wrote:I'm not sure I understand how YouTube decides to load videos. When a video is fully loaded from beginning to end, as far as I can tell, nothing can make it unload short of me closing the tab--but every once in a while, while a video is still only partially loaded, the buffer will spontaneously disappear. There have been instances where it seemed like just pausing the video at the wrong time unloaded the entire buffer. And this is with the quality manually set, so it doesn't seem like it should be trying to switch to a different video quality...

Youtube's weird as hell at times. I've had a video entirely buffered (a lot of music with just album art or maybe text lyrics on a simple background can buffer entirely without issue) only for the buffer to just randomly disappear and refuse to load anymore until I reloaded the page.
Yep, gotta have a healer. I think both LPs I've seen used Yukiko for that because she's so good at it. (In fact, I think they both used Chie as well. Also Yosuke, but considering what you've said about him, I'm not surprised he's not in your party. Smashing a folding chair on the heads of your enemies seems preferable in that case.)

Yukiko is just overall a good character. Fantastic healer, has good damage output. (The only character who looks to beat her magic stat is Kanji with his strength stat and not by an enormous amount. Kanji at level 92 has like 90 strength while Yukiko has like 83-84 or so magic at the same level.) And yeah, Kanji is a much better substitute. His magic power is rather lacking, to the point where ziodyne against an enemy weak against it often does about the same damage as his highest level physical skill against an enemy resistant to it. But he's one of my favorite characters along with Chie and Yukiko.
That's a surprising oversight. I would have guessed that they would just look up the element of the skill you were about to use. There aren't any skills that have unusual elemental properties (like Flying Press and Freeze-Dry in Pokemon), are there?

According to a faq I was reading there is one but I'm not sure if the person was just copy+pasting things and forgot to rename one or something. Surt gets the skill Ragnarok. According to the game it's the fourth level single-target fire spell. According to the faq though it also does wind damage.
I guess the occasional overlap like this is inevitable when most fusions are based solely on the Personas' arcana and levels. I'm reminded of the breeding system in Dragon Warrior Monsters, where you can combine the extremely early-game SpotSlime with a late-game Beast like a WildApe... and just get another SpotSlime out of it, because there's no special Slime family + WildApe or SpotSlime + Beast family breeding.

Yeah, it's not too unexpected. I just found it rather entertaining. Not only is it combining two fairly powerful personas with a third to get another of the third but it's actually a downgrade to boot, lol.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Speedless » May 29th, 2017, 3:53 am

Alice wrote:Youtube's weird as hell at times. I've had a video entirely buffered (a lot of music with just album art or maybe text lyrics on a simple background can buffer entirely without issue) only for the buffer to just randomly disappear and refuse to load anymore until I reloaded the page.

So far, videos I've managed to watch all the way through have stayed loaded afterward. Well, short videos, at least. I get the feeling that if a video file is too big to fit... wherever YouTube, my browser, and/or my computer put it... all at once, it will always have to be reloaded if I try to watch it again.

According to a faq I was reading there is one but I'm not sure if the person was just copy+pasting things and forgot to rename one or something. Surt gets the skill Ragnarok. According to the game it's the fourth level single-target fire spell. According to the faq though it also does wind damage.

Well, if Ragnarok really is secretly a double-element skill somehow, I'd be less surprised that the game gets a little confused about what it's effective on. Die for Me! must have a different kind of problem, though. No way does an instant-kill move have a secret second element--not in a Persona game, and definitely not when it's the best Dark skill in the game, on the best/second-best Dark Persona in the game.

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 29th, 2017, 3:32 pm

Added a bit to my sig on here. I know it probably looks dumb and as bad as those Christians who wear their worship of Jesus on their sleeves, but...I don't care Image! I'm now 100% convinced that Ishtar is my patron deity, and I'm proud of that fact Image!

Alice wrote:Would've liked to have finished her social link before beating the game to see how her second persona differs from Himiko.


Speaking of Persona 4 and my sweet Lady Ishtar, Alice, why didn't you finish Rise's social link? Cause not only could you have gotten her upgrade, but you could've gotten my patron on your team (she...is the ultimate Lovers persona, isn't she? I have...practically negative experience with the series. Especially compared to you guys)!

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:But...if everything is sexy, then that'd mean there wouldn't be any unsexy people anymore. Because they'd be included in that wish's effects, due to being part of "everything". So they'd be sexified up. Or people's tastes would just change to accommodate them :tundecided: .
I'm saying that the standards of sexiness would be raised. Unsexy people would still be sexier than they were before, but they'd still be unsexy compared to everyone else, who is now even sexier.


Well...maybe, but I'm still willing to bet it'll work out in their favor...assuming, of course, such people have a sex drive. I mean, sexiness is more about attitude rather than looks anyway! Least that's what I think.

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:But, you know, it might help to come up with something that'd make *me* regret that wish.
I was thinking of mentioning that wish could be interpreted in such a way that all trans women get super-sexy super-muscular super-masculine male bodies, and all trans men get super-sexy super-large-breasted super-feminine female bodies (and all non-binary people get very unandrogynous bodies as well, obviously), but I don't think I could bring myself to do that.


Okay, that may be a good point. But, if HRT still works, then I'd think it'd nullify that. Actually, I'm willing to bet such surgery would work even better in a world where everything's sexy!

(Also, one corruption that I thought of would be "If everything were sexy, then I'd never be able to get anything done anymore because I'd be perpetually orgasming until I die or something". Though that still sounds like a fun way to go, ohohohohohohohoho Image!)
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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Speaking of Persona 4 and my sweet Lady Ishtar, Alice, why didn't you finish Rise's social link? Cause not only could you have gotten her upgrade, but you could've gotten my patron on your team (she...is the ultimate Lovers persona, isn't she? I have...practically negative experience with the series. Especially compared to you guys)!

Game kinda unexpectedly ended before I could. I'd stopped focusing on her so I could finish up Chie and Kanji's links (both were in the 7-8 range while Rise was only level 4 or so at the time), then I learned that Naoto's social link actually has a very specific time you can level it before it's no longer available shortly after and I'd already missed the first ten of those days, then after getting back to hers I suddenly hit the end of the game.  I knew the game ended in March or April so I wasn't expecting the end of the main gameplay to come in December. 

And yeah, Rise's the Lovers social link and thus her persona is as well. Not sure what the ultimate Lovers persona in the game is though. You only unlock those when you max out the corresponding social link. The most powerful one that I'm aware of though is Cybele but since I got her without maxing out Rise's link that suggests there's one more.
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Postby Glitch » May 30th, 2017, 9:35 pm

Hello I just got my wisdom teeth out
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Pain-wise? Still frozen, can barely feel my face. Gauze is gross. I am starting to feel a bit of pain where the teeth were, though.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 30th, 2017, 11:01 pm

Say, umm...do you guys think my religion is evil in nature? Cause I've kinda been thinking about it for a while. Particularly, I want something to say in response to anyone who thinks it's evil to worship Ishtar and sexuality. Assuming, of course, you don't believe so.

Glitch wrote:Hello I just got my wisdom teeth out
Everything went good, they said
Although apparently I was nothing but a fucking chatterbox as they were trying to operate on me. I wish they would've told me what I was talking about, but I guess it was mostly gibberish.
Shoutout @ the lady who got my iv in my hand. One try, a bit of pain, but it settled just fine. I was quite impressed, since I have deep, small veins. The mark is pretty minuscule, too.
Still a bit dizzy and feel a bit silly, but otherwise, not too bad.
Pain-wise? Still frozen, can barely feel my face. Gauze is gross. I am starting to feel a bit of pain where the teeth were, though.


Hopefully you'll be alright soon. I know when I had my wisdom teeth pulled, recovery was quite a time. But I had to do more than remove my wisdom teeth when that happened (you...probably don't wanna know what. But suffice to say, it involved heavy sedation)
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Postby Glitch » May 31st, 2017, 12:20 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Say, umm...do you guys think my religion is evil in nature? Cause I've kinda been thinking about it for a while. Particularly, I want something to say in response to anyone who thinks it's evil to worship Ishtar and sexuality. Assuming, of course, you don't believe so.

I don't necessarily see how it'd be evil. As long as you're not outright advocating violence irl or against people, or anything else harmful, I'd say you're fine.

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Hopefully you'll be alright soon. I know when I had my wisdom teeth pulled, recovery was quite a time. But I had to do more than remove my wisdom teeth when that happened (you...probably don't wanna know what. But suffice to say, it involved heavy sedation)

I hope so, too. The next three days will tell me how well I'll heal, and I'll have to take good care of my mouth.
Also forgot to mention they did end up stitching three of the four areas I believe (they may have done all four? can't remember), probably the areas where they had to cut open to actually get those wisdom teeth out. Most of the freezing's worth off by now, I had a power nap after I downed some pain meds. My upper right is the area that hurts the worst right now, while everything else isn't actually all that bad. Still have gauze in my mouth, but the bleeding's slowed. I hope I can take the gauze out permanently soon, cause I'm fucking hungry. >:V

If you don't mind me asking and sharing, what happened? I'm curious.
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Postby Alice » May 31st, 2017, 1:21 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Say, umm...do you guys think my religion is evil in nature? Cause I've kinda been thinking about it for a while. Particularly, I want something to say in response to anyone who thinks it's evil to worship Ishtar and sexuality. Assuming, of course, you don't believe so.

Your issue is really just that you're far too self-conscious about it. You care far too much what others think of it when it's really not relevant at all. Does your choice in religious choice cause others undue harm? If not then your religious choices are not an issue. (Sorry if that ends up sounding overly aggressive. After rereading it, it kinda sounds like it is. I blame the fact that I'm actually rather annoyed at Far Cry 3 right now. After several bullshit failures relating to stuff like getting stuck in geometry I finally succeeded at this mission only for the game to glitch and insist I hadn't looted an enemy with a key item despite the fact I most certainly had...)
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 31st, 2017, 2:28 am

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Say, umm...do you guys think my religion is evil in nature? Cause I've kinda been thinking about it for a while. Particularly, I want something to say in response to anyone who thinks it's evil to worship Ishtar and sexuality. Assuming, of course, you don't believe so.

Your issue is really just that you're far too self-conscious about it. You care far too much what others think of it when it's really not relevant at all. Does your choice in religious choice cause others undue harm? If not then your religious choices are not an issue. (Sorry if that ends up sounding overly aggressive. After rereading it, it kinda sounds like it is. I blame the fact that I'm actually rather annoyed at Far Cry 3 right now. After several bullshit failures relating to stuff like getting stuck in geometry I finally succeeded at this mission only for the game to glitch and insist I hadn't looted an enemy with a key item despite the fact I most certainly had...)


No, you're...you're right. But after dealing with a few too many people who say either all religions except Christianity are evil or all religions, including Christianity, are evil, both in real life and on the Internet, well...is it any surprise that I start to worry about that sort of thing?

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Hopefully you'll be alright soon. I know when I had my wisdom teeth pulled, recovery was quite a time. But I had to do more than remove my wisdom teeth when that happened (you...probably don't wanna know what. But suffice to say, it involved heavy sedation)

I hope so, too. The next three days will tell me how well I'll heal, and I'll have to take good care of my mouth.
Also forgot to mention they did end up stitching three of the four areas I believe (they may have done all four? can't remember), probably the areas where they had to cut open to actually get those wisdom teeth out. Most of the freezing's worth off by now, I had a power nap after I downed some pain meds. My upper right is the area that hurts the worst right now, while everything else isn't actually all that bad. Still have gauze in my mouth, but the bleeding's slowed. I hope I can take the gauze out permanently soon, cause I'm fucking hungry. >:V

If you don't mind me asking and sharing, what happened? I'm curious.


I had to get part of my jawbone sawed off, because it was large enough it was severely impacting my ability to open my mouth wide. I don't wanna go into more detail than that.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby pholtos » May 31st, 2017, 2:31 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:No, you're...you're right. But after dealing with a few too many people who say either all religions except Christianity are evil or all religions, including Christianity, are evil, both in real life and on the Internet, well...is it any surprise that I start to worry about that sort of thing?

Religion is only bad when it causes others harm, either to their rights, their person, or anything else.

So long as people don't use religion as a crutch for negative purposes, then they have a right to believe in whatever they so choose.

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby Alice » May 31st, 2017, 4:00 am

pholtos wrote:Religion is only bad when it causes others harm, either to their rights, their person, or anything else.

So long as people don't use religion as a crutch for negative purposes, then they have a right to believe in whatever they so choose.

Exactly this. If your religion is not causing anyone undue harm then there is no issue. The issue basically universally stems from assholes using religion as an excuse to justify doing bad things.
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Postby chridd » May 31st, 2017, 5:43 am

Or, in other words, An it harm none, do what ye will.

(I'm not actually Wiccan; I just happen to agree with that aspect of their morality.)

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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » May 31st, 2017, 6:10 pm

So...what you guys are saying is, as long as I don't, say, rape someone as a ritual to Ishtar, I'm good?

But that brings up another question: How many of you would count being offended or disgusted by something I say or do as me harming you? I'd argue that offense or disgust at other people doing things that otherwise don't affect you is self-inflicted; i.e. it's not my fault if you react "Ugh, you...do...realize what Ishtar was said to do, you freak?" when you hear I worship and idolize a proud femme fatale and black widow. And I know I'm not the only one to see it that way: I distinctly remember La Vey saying something very similar (as well as noting that BDSM is fine as well). The only thing I added to that is the idea that offense or disgust are self-inflicted, because you could just as easily ignore such things that you don't like that aren't actually hurting you, and those things come straight from your own stupidity.
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Postby Alice » May 31st, 2017, 6:32 pm

EarthPhantomTS wrote:So...what you guys are saying is, as long as I don't, say, rape someone as a ritual to Ishtar, I'm good?

But that brings up another question: How many of you would count being offended or disgusted by something I say or do as me harming you? I'd argue that offense or disgust at other people doing things that otherwise don't affect you is self-inflicted; i.e. it's not my fault if you react "Ugh, you...do...realize what Ishtar was said to do, you freak?" when you hear I worship and idolize a proud femme fatale and black widow. And I know I'm not the only one to see it that way: I distinctly remember La Vey saying something very similar (as well as noting that BDSM is fine as well). The only thing I added to that is the idea that offense or disgust are self-inflicted, because you could just as easily ignore such things that you don't like that aren't actually hurting you, and those things come straight from your own stupidity.

If you're doing something like going out of your way to insult or harass someone or something then it's on you. If it's just them getting offended over something they don't like then it's on them.
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Re: Yes, It's a Thread About Nothing

Postby EarthPhantomTS » June 1st, 2017, 2:59 am

Alice wrote:
EarthPhantomTS wrote:So...what you guys are saying is, as long as I don't, say, rape someone as a ritual to Ishtar, I'm good?

But that brings up another question: How many of you would count being offended or disgusted by something I say or do as me harming you? I'd argue that offense or disgust at other people doing things that otherwise don't affect you is self-inflicted; i.e. it's not my fault if you react "Ugh, you...do...realize what Ishtar was said to do, you freak?" when you hear I worship and idolize a proud femme fatale and black widow. And I know I'm not the only one to see it that way: I distinctly remember La Vey saying something very similar (as well as noting that BDSM is fine as well). The only thing I added to that is the idea that offense or disgust are self-inflicted, because you could just as easily ignore such things that you don't like that aren't actually hurting you, and those things come straight from your own stupidity.

If you're doing something like going out of your way to insult or harass someone or something then it's on you. If it's just them getting offended over something they don't like then it's on them.


Don't worry, I meant the latter. There's a big difference between, say, what the WBC does, and expressing yourself.

Speaking of, we're coming to the WBC's least favorite month of the year, Pride Month! How do you guys intend to celebrate? I'd draw something, but I don't really know how. Well, maybe I'll live it Image :winking: !
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Postby Glitch » June 1st, 2017, 6:09 pm

The past couple days I wasn't doing too badly. Swollen on the right side, my left isn't all that bad.
Today is terrible.
I feel like a chipmunk.
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Postby Alice » June 1st, 2017, 9:24 pm

This is a comment from a Trump supporter on an article about the mayor of my town wanting to pass stricter hate speech laws but not being able to because what he wants would violate the first amendment:
Gotta be amazed that someone can be in an elected office like that and still not know how the 1st amendment works.

The irony of this post is just amazing. It was so stupid it actually had me staring at it slackjawed for a bit trying to parse the total mental disconnect between reality and how he views it.
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Postby Glitch » June 1st, 2017, 10:51 pm

Glitch wrote:The past couple days I wasn't doing too badly. Swollen on the right side, my left isn't all that bad.
Today is terrible.
I feel like a chipmunk.
Thank god for all the painkillers and other shit they gave me. T3s for pain, naproxen for pain and swelling.
At least this is supposed to be the worst day.

Okay, fuck the T3s. Even just one pill is making me drowsy and feel out of it. I've napped every day since I had to stupid surgery. I'll just stick with regular Tylenol.
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » June 1st, 2017, 11:26 pm

I love how celebration of human diversity can bring out the worst in people.

Right now, I'm seeing quite a few people angry at the idea of Pride Month. When are people gonna learn to stop being idiots and realize that everyone has a right to be with, or be, whoever they want?

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Postby Alice » June 2nd, 2017, 11:59 pm

This whole Paris Climate Accord debacle is really quite hilarious. The US is now one of three nations who didn't sign it (or rather we backed out after having signed but still), the other two being Syria who's kinda too busy fighting a civil war to be worried about something like this and Nicaragua who won't sign because the accord isn't strict enough. (Nicaragua is apparently on path to reach 90% emissions reduction by 2030. When I was looking through the listing of stated goals per country the closest I saw was China's which is only a whopping 60% or so. And that's for the biggest polluter on the entire list, though the US is a fairly close second despite having only like 1/4th the population.) On top of this Trump's decision faces such widespread opposition that it's honestly kinda impressive. Opposition ranges from CEOs of oil companies (Exxon in particular) to Wall Street CEOs (Goldman Sachs in particular) to the mayor of Washington DC itself to state governors, both Republican and Democrat. And of course there's Elon Musk who pulled out of his position on Trump's advisory council over this decision but that's not too unexpected. Guy's very for-global warming prevention and seems to have a lot of integrity even if his treatment of employees isn't always stellar.
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » June 3rd, 2017, 3:27 am

Oh yeah, I have nothing but raw hatred for Trump. Fuck him.
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ou’ve all heard of “so long gay bowser”, but if browser gay ,ale, where bowser junor and koopalings come fram? who would fug a loser like bowsr? if browser gay, why he marry ptincess pirsich in spuper papper maria?

answer: gay bowser actually parthogenic butch lesbian. she loves princess peach because lesbians are girls who like girls. but parthogenic species doesn’t really get gender apart from butch (e.g. bowser, ludwig, morton) and femme (wendy’s, kammy, iggy) morphs, or maybe japonese lacking grammar gender causing translation issues, so no problems with he/him pronouncs. Or else hatshepsut case
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Postby Alice » June 3rd, 2017, 10:47 pm

Tovarisch Red Yoshi wrote:answer: gay bowser actually parthogenic butch lesbian. she loves princess peach because lesbians are girls who like girls. but parthogenic species doesn’t really get gender apart from butch (e.g. bowser, ludwig, morton) and femme (wendy’s, kammy, iggy) morphs, or maybe japonese lacking grammar gender causing translation issues, so no problems with he/him pronouncs. Or else hatshepsut case

So you're saying that Bowser is evil gay Saber from Fate/Stay Night?
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Postby Tovarisch Red Yoshi » June 3rd, 2017, 10:51 pm

Alice wrote:
Tovarisch Red Yoshi wrote:answer: gay bowser actually parthogenic butch lesbian. she loves princess peach because lesbians are girls who like girls. but parthogenic species doesn’t really get gender apart from butch (e.g. bowser, ludwig, morton) and femme (wendy’s, kammy, iggy) morphs, or maybe japonese lacking grammar gender causing translation issues, so no problems with he/him pronouncs. Or else hatshepsut case

So you're saying that Bowser is evil gay Saber from Fate/Stay Night?


i doe nott get the reference!!! :tbiggrin:
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Tovarisch Red Yoshi wrote:i doe nott get the reference!!! :tbiggrin:

Well without giving spoilers, Saber's a woman but her title when she was still alive was King instead of Queen.
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Postby chridd » June 3rd, 2017, 11:30 pm

Tovarisch Red Yoshi wrote:ou’ve all heard of “so long gay bowser”, but if browser gay ,ale, where bowser junor and koopalings come fram?
I thought the Koopalings were his nephews (and niece)?

Anyhow, clearly Bowser's original last name was Gay, and he changed it to his mother's maiden name, Koopa, because he got teased a lot; hence, UR MR GAY. "Gay Bowser" rather than "Bowser Gay" is obviously a translation issue from Japanese.


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