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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Alice » December 19th, 2016, 10:00 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Don't you just love when you put in old games of yours that you haven't touched for a year or more and you realize you have no effing clue what's going on now? Cause I recently found out I sure do Image. Tried to start up Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;birth 2 again, realized I had no idea where to go to get the next critical item, just said "Ehh...maybe I should just start anew".

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This is exactly why I never complete some games. Get into them but lose interest but then when I come back I have absolutely no idea what the hell I was doing. This is even bad enough in games which actually log what you're doing because while a simple log might be enough to get you to where you need you still might not remember context or what's happening in the story. In games where they don't even have that much though it's especially bad.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » December 19th, 2016, 8:47 pm

Well, just started on Hyperdimension Neptunia 3; only a few hours in, but I can already tell it'll be rad Image. Also that I totally did pick the right two characters to tag myself as when I shared that meme :surprise: (I'm counting Plutia and Iris Heart, and Rei and Cyan (or is it Blue?) Heart, as one character each here)

EDIT: Shit! My PC copy just crashed! Right at a certain character's entrance, too! This makes me so mad, I...

Sigh...guess I'll have to revert to my newly acquired Vita copy, hee hee!
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » December 20th, 2016, 4:32 am

Good news, guys! I just got back to where I was before that unfortunate game crash! Plus, honestly, the Vita version...suits me. I kinda prefer handhelds to computers when given the choice.

Also, turns out, there was apparently a boss fight that I was intended to lose the first time around (apparently these games have New Game + or something; I saw a post saying that it'd be the only way you can turn on all the plans, because you won't get enough Memory to do so the first time around, but you're allowed to get the same pieces multiple times in successive playthroughs. But I digress), but with the aid of a certain DLC character with...overpowered equipment (I'm talking about Histoire), I actually beat her. Twice, in fact; first time was right before that damn crash.

You'd be surprised how quickly things can go if you just take Plutia's suggestion at one point and use Square to skip through cutscenes. Thank Tiamat for that!
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » December 27th, 2016, 1:58 am

I forgot to say this before!

In Superdimension Neptune vs. Sega Hard Girls (my Goddess that's a long title, I'mma call it "Iffy's game" from now on!), I managed to beat Mega Drive. The first fight at least. I think there might be a rematch soon, so I'm getting a bit powered up for it now. Also, the game has a rather...interesting...mechanic relating to quest availability: each quest has a time limit on it, and if the time limit ends, Lavos...err, I mean "the Time Eater" (final boss, apparently), will eat the quest and power up. However, you can reset the time limits for the quests you didn't do yet (as well as retrieve any eaten quests) by deliberately losing to the Time Eater, which'll take you back to when you first started, except with all of your stuff, allies, and so on still intact. Then you can do more of the quests so it doesn't have as much to eat. You can only do each quest once though, I'm pretty sure. But the idea is to do that enough times to get strong enough to beat the Time Eater, while stealing all the quests from it by doing them all yourself, I'm pretty sure.

(And yeah, I couldn't resist the Chrono Trigger reference there :pwink: )

Also, kinda shaking my head at how the games tend to reuse many of the maps. Like, I don't just mean "Virtua Forest is in many of these games", I mean, for instance, "Virtua Forest and Bandicrash share a layout (in Re;birth 3)". Probably the only real weakness of these games, and honestly, didn't a lot of older games reuse maps at times to save space? Though these games don't really need to :tundecided: , so I can't think of any reason Idea Factory/Compile Heart/whoever needed to reuse map layouts except laziness. It's a bit more understandable in Iffy's game, though, since (at least sometimes) the maps that share layouts are actually the same places, just in different times.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Speedless » January 1st, 2017, 7:24 am

I've been playing another SMBX episode recently--Endless Exploration by KFCMARIO. I'm in world 3 now, and it's pretty nice so far. You have to do Dragon Coin runs of every level (well, there are just three Mushroom Coins, and the final castle of each world doesn't have them) to get stars, and I don't recall seeing any midpoints yet. Also, some of the coins require specific powerups, and there was one point where I was pretty sure I had to peteyboo--I'm always willing to fill up on powerups, but it didn't exactly leave me feeling impressed. But once you get a star in a level (at least, I think that's what triggers it), you can freely leave the level from a pipe that appears at the start. That makes it easier to farm for certain powerups even before you start finding Toad Houses.

My main complaint with Endless Exploration so far is... too much quicksand. It's a weird thing to say, I know, but what I mean by that is there are two quicksand-related problems in the desert world that really stood out. The first was a platform-riding level where the quicksand below probably should just have been lava or a pit, because not even Luigi could jump out of it to solid ground--not even to damage-boost off of Munchers! The second was just an oddity of SMBX's tile collisions, I'm assuming. You see, I like playing as Luigi, because usually his extra jump height makes things a little easier. I wasn't expecting to be stopped cold by a different kind of Luigi height... until I encountered Luigi's nemesis--
A TWO-TILE-HIGH GAP!!
No, normally two-tile-high gaps aren't a problem for Luigi, but there's this one level in the desert world where you have to sink in some quicksand, exiting out the side of the quicksand into a two-tile-high tunnel, where, as I recall, you have to break some blocks to progress, and therefore have to be big. The thing is, in SMBX, quicksand apparently makes you swim, which means you can't duck. Mario can just barely squeeze into that tunnel--and Luigi is just barely tall enough that he gets stuck on the tile corners at the mouth of the passage instead! I save before every level, and this made me very much not regret it.

I'm still playing Pokemon Reborn, of course, and I naturally have a lot to say about it. That's what boxes are for!

With all the improvements they've made in Episode 16, it feels like a completely different game! Between the ability to run the game at 3x speed with the new speed-up button, the Pokerus I got by Wonder Trading, and the Power items we already had, the whole process of breeding, hatching eggs, and EV training is significantly faster now--and now that you can hold the cancel button to skip through some kinds of text really fast, scouring areas with the Itemfinder and redoing dialogue-heavy events are pretty quick as well. Also, Pokemon that can't breed are guaranteed three perfect IVs now when you find them in the wild or in events, which makes it a LOT easier to get, say, a Pichu that's quite good.

Perhaps most notably, they have actual online trading now (including the aforementioned Wonder Trade)--and you can even trade with yourself! That let me skip the rather time-consuming setup I had to do the first time I bred myself an Icicle Crash/Ancient Power Swinub--I traded over one of the parents I used for that and proceeded to get a shiny Adamant Swinub with IVs of 26/31/31/31/31/30 as... maybe my 12th or 13th egg.

I usually don't worry that much about IVs as long as they're higher than 10 or so... Really! -_-'

... Actually, what ends up happening is that when I breed, I try to get most of the parents' high IVs and drop the low ones, and now that it's so much easier to get a lot of 31s... Thankfully, passing on those same easy 31s a few times makes it relatively easy to keep the 31s you have with a Destiny Knot, so breeding goes pretty quickly as well.

Also of note, the Pokegear now has functions that let you read about the game's custom Field Effects and not-exactly-Mega Evolutions, in-game, without having to go all the way back to the library in one corner of the city. You have to find the data for each PULSE/Field before you can see it in the Pokegear, and they'll often wait to give you a field readout until after you've already done some fighting on the field, but so far, the PULSE readouts have all been before the corresponding PULSE fights, which is nice.

A lot of the dialogue has been cleaned up as well--some battle messages in the vein of "The grass below The foe Cinccino caught flame!" have been altered to avoid the capitalization issue, for example. Oddly, though, they seem to have removed pretty much all of the ellipses from dialogue--even in the places where I thought it made perfect sense for the person to trail off--and there's at least one NPC who speaks in chatspeak (the line used to be "MACHINE, Y U NO PAYOUT!?") whose dialogue is now spelled "correctly," which just makes the deliberately incorrect grammar stand out in a weird way.

As usual, I'm trying to develop a pretty big rotation. This time, it feels like it's staying awfully small, though... Still, despite my comfortable starter pick (Charizard) and the grandfathered-in Mamoswine, I'm using a pretty different selection of main Mons, including Klinklang, Sylveon, an Electabuzz I got from a Mystery Egg, and an EV-trained Pelipper who surprised me with his decent physical bulk and has really pulled his own weight so far.

... I must admit, a couple of my choices were mostly "teaching to the test," the "tests" being Gym battles. That Pelipper has Keen Eye, which let it use special Flying attacks in the battle with Kiki without those nasty Accuracy drops, and I later trained a Mirror Coat Corsola that was amazing on Serra's Mirror Field. I'm also using a Sturdy + Counter Sudowoodo, which is how I dealt with the severely overleveled Garchomp boss (and the modestly overleveled Steelix boss later on)--and it also came in handy when I was trying to level-grind by fighting a repeatable battle against a trainer with a Weavile. And in a different kind of "teaching to the test," I used my Mamoswine's ridiculously high IVs to breed a Pangoro with even higher and more ridiculous IVs (30/31/31/28/31/30)... partly because I didn't have any Fighting- or Dark-types in the rotation except a pretty underleveled Hariyama, but also to use for future breeding projects, since it's in two egg groups, not just one.


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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 8th, 2017, 10:44 pm

Been dividing my time between three games: Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;birth 3, Chrono Trigger, and Final Fantasy VII. Oh wait, Avernum 2: Crystal Souls as well, so four games.

Err...actually, should I count Iffy's game and Megadimension Neptunia V II? Haven't really played the former for a bit, and barely started the latter.

In HDN 3, I'm now at the last of the three bosses for Chapter 5 (at least its main section). I think I remember reading that the Leanbox boss is Mr. Badd? And if so, I think he brings his kids along for the second round with him. Then, it's probably the bit where Arfoire gets tortured and chibi-Iffy gets scared; I can't wait Image (yeah, I'm an evil girl, wanting to see that part)!

Chrono Trigger, currently doing the sidequests. Have two of them done (Northern Ruins and Sun Stone), so Frog's doing pretty good and Lucca...well, she's doing mildly alright. The Wondershot is a weird weapon: apparently depending on exact number of seconds since you started (according to the game, "Play time determines damage" or something like that, so I assume it's like FFVII's Slots' Evil Flag), it can deal 3x damage...or 1/10x damage. Or many values in between. I mostly did it because it was quick and you get the Sunglasses, as well as part of the Prism Spectacles, which are certainly worth it. Oh, and I'm playing the DS version, hence the names I'm using for the damage boosters. Haven't done any of the Lost Sanctum yet, though; I'm aware I should go for it now, probably.

In Final Fantasy VII, my current save is kinda early on. I'm on the Cargo Ship, stealing Ethers from Scrutin Eyes (sp?). Also got Shinra Betas for everybody (and by that, I mean I have 9). I always like having more than 30000 Gil going into the Gold Saucer, so I can buy the Gold Ticket immediately (it saves money in the long run). I went ahead and started anew because...well, because I wanted to, alright?

As for Avernum 2, I'm still in Part 1. Haven't really played much of it right now. Trying to get up to Level 8 before sailing to the Vahnati (sp?), because that's when you get Negotiator and can buy some of the skills (the ones in Fort Draco; the condition for the trainer selling you skills is that you're at Level 8, it has nothing to do with Reputation or anything like that). My party is a dual wielding fighter, two mages, and a cleric. The fighter took a point of Cleric spells, but otherwise will be focused on the dual-wield track, while the cleric is handling Tool Use. Other than that, nothing special is going on I don't think. I know dual-wielders were nerfed in the second game compared to the first, but it's still my style to have one. Really.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 23rd, 2017, 8:20 pm

Been playing Dragon Quest VIII on the 3DS since its release. And I'm currently in Pickham, right after  talking to Red about getting our stolen horse-who's-not-really-a-horse and carriage (and Alchemy Pot) back. I went back there after setting foot in the Swordman's Labyrinth, or whatever it's called, because I wanted to save back in Pickham and I saw they added SL to the Zoom list, so I can get back immediately . Currently trying to win stuffs in the Casino; I actually managed to turn the 50 tokens I got into 500 immediately! Sweet Image! Watch it be a million tries to win at Bingo a second time now :pwink:!

Sadly, though, I haven't got much time for constant resetting, as I have a doctor's appointment soon. But maybe I can see if I will win more or need to reset with this 500.

EDIT: Holy freaking shit I won 10,000 tokens! Praise be to the gods of chance and luck and all that stuff Image! I mean, as Plutie might say, "I'm so happy :biggrin: !"

But you know what the sad thing is? This still isn't enough to do what I want to do! I actually need 24K tokens (that's 14,500 for everything I want to buy, and 9,500 for the second casino). So yeah, I still got a ways to go. Well, unless I get lucky and this happens again.

EDIT 2: Progress report! I'm now up to 23,100 tokens! So I'm getting close Image!

Oh, and the doctor's appointment went well. I actually lost a little bit of weight since last time, so that's good. I mean, it's maybe 5 pounds, but every little bit helps!

EDIT 3: Alright, I did it! I have a little bit extra too, so I can afford to buy either a few more Magic Water, or maybe another Titan Belt.

Now back to Swordsman's Labyrinth for me.

EDIT 4: Wow, this is getting absurd...I went through SL, and Trap Box managed to kick my ass Image! I reset too, because I forgot this game doesn't really have Game Overs, so I lost all the treasure that I earned in there. But, the good news is, I went back to the Casino to try to win enough tokens to get some more Magic Water, and guess who hit the x100 payout again? Yep, me! This easily makes up for the frustration of losing there Image (okay, it doesn't really, but it's still pretty rad). Also, finally got a Wing of Bat like I wanted!

Now to try to grind a bit to try to make this easier, both getting through the labyrinth again and the boss.

EDIT 5: Yes! I beat him! Managed to get Jessica's Tension up to 50 enough to do it, using Twin Dragon Lash! It deals a surprisingly high amount of damage, like, more than 200. Kinda had to get lucky with his attacks, though: he has two status ailment attacks that can easily negate your Tension buildup. Namely, Fuddle, and Snooze. The former sets Confuse on one target, the latter sets Sleep on a group of enemies, or all party members (your party is considered a single group). Have to get lucky with Trap Box missing those attacks on Jessica, the way I was fighting him.
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Postby Alice » January 26th, 2017, 4:40 pm

Hyperdimension Neptunita Re;Birth 2 and 3 finally released on Gog so I decided to try playing through Re;Birth 1 again in preparation for those. The visuals are fine and the story's pretty hilarious but it's just way too grindy and due to that some of the bosses end up super difficult for someone like me who hates grinding. Dungeons are also pretty uninspired which is unfortunate. The game's mechanics themselves are perfectly fine and the gameplay itself is enjoyable. Just those two flaws are extremely egregious ones. Hopefully the other two aren't quite so bad about it. Going to try to stick this one out to the end this time though. I've taken to cheating a for money and xp on Neptune to help offset the grindiness. We'll see how much that helps in the end.

Kinda impressed how ridiculously overpowered some of the tough enemies are though. With the weak enemies plan enabled, the extra enemies plan for the first factory dungeon (the one you unlock early on Planeptune), and with a fair bit of equipment and Neptune at something like level 113 I still had trouble overcoming one of the tough enemy's regen. Took me a good 10-15 minutes to finally work it down and that was with my secondary characters pumping Neptune in HDD form full of SP recovery items and Neptune using her victory slash attack or whatever it's called. Strangely the thing didn't deal a huge amount of damage. I wasn't in terribly much danger even on my secondary characters which were definitive underleveled for the fight. Just it had a lot of health, a ridiculous amount of guard gauge, and recovered almost as much per turn on both the guard gauge and its health as I was dealing to it.

Edit: Oh right, that was another issue I had on several occasions with the game. Getting random soft-locks in battles. The enemy would just flat out refuse to actually take its turn. Just happened again so I lost all my progress in this area. Which was literally at the end of the first multiple section dungeon in the game. (First dungeon after reaching Vert's island.) I think this combined with the other issues (now that this has jogged my memory I think it involved a long-winded and tough boss battle) was what ended up making me drop the game to begin with. I remember having reached some rather tough boss and after several tries took her down but before I had a chance to save I got soft-locked and ragequit.
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 26th, 2017, 7:59 pm

Alice wrote:Hyperdimension Neptunita Re;Birth 2 and 3 finally released on Gog so I decided to try playing through Re;Birth 1 again in preparation for those. The visuals are fine and the story's pretty hilarious but it's just way too grindy and due to that some of the bosses end up super difficult for someone like me who hates grinding. Dungeons are also pretty uninspired which is unfortunate. The game's mechanics themselves are perfectly fine and the gameplay itself is enjoyable. Just those two flaws are extremely egregious ones. Hopefully the other two aren't quite so bad about it. Going to try to stick this one out to the end this time though. I've taken to cheating a for money and xp on Neptune to help offset the grindiness. We'll see how much that helps in the end.


I'm not sure how much less grindy the other games are (if any), but sadly, the dungeon issue is still there in the sequels. Just fair warning.

Edit: Oh right, that was another issue I had on several occasions with the game. Getting random soft-locks in battles. The enemy would just flat out refuse to actually take its turn. Just happened again so I lost all my progress in this area. Which was literally at the end of the first multiple section dungeon in the game. (First dungeon after reaching Vert's island.) I think this combined with the other issues (now that this has jogged my memory I think it involved a long-winded and tough boss battle) was what ended up making me drop the game to begin with. I remember having reached some rather tough boss and after several tries took her down but before I had a chance to save I got soft-locked and ragequit.


I haven't really had that precise thing happen, but it sounds kinda like the stability issues I did have with the series. Just out of curiosity, how long had you been playing? Just long enough to beat that tough enemy? Or was it longer than that?

Anyway, besides all that, I just hope that, if you get to Re;birth 3, you don't see how Iris Heart is and immediately go "What the hell does Earth see in her?! She's insane! And insanely terrible! And if Earth really sees her as a role model, she's fucked in the head too!" :pwink:
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby ParmaJon » January 27th, 2017, 3:05 am

Skyrim binges are fun :3
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Postby Alice » January 27th, 2017, 6:36 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:I'm not sure how much less grindy the other games are (if any), but sadly, the dungeon issue is still there in the sequels. Just fair warning.

Well I can always cheat again if nothing else. Though it would be pretty unfortunate. I enjoy the story and the characters, even if some of them are a bit stereotypical, are fairly interesting as well.
I haven't really had that precise thing happen, but it sounds kinda like the stability issues I did have with the series. Just out of curiosity, how long had you been playing? Just long enough to beat that tough enemy? Or was it longer than that?

Anyway, besides all that, I just hope that, if you get to Re;birth 3, you don't see how Iris Heart is and immediately go "What the hell does Earth see in her?! She's insane! And insanely terrible! And if Earth really sees her as a role model, she's fucked in the head too!" :pwink:

I'd been playing quite awhile. Several hours or so. (Enough to get from the start of the game to Green Heart's island without bothering to grind for levels.) Probably 5-6 but I'm not certain since the last time I paid any attention to the playtime on the menu it was a few minutes under four hours. I looked around though and this is definitely a known issue.

And I have Plutia as well as Peashy in my party on Re;Birth 1 due to dlc. Using both of them in fact because having three CPUs in battle at once is pretty useful. Especially since Peashy, despite looking to be even tinier than Blanc, is ridiculously strong, especially for breaking through the enemy's guard. And watching Plutia beat the crap out of enemies using a stuffed bear is hilarious.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 27th, 2017, 2:34 pm

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:I'm not sure how much less grindy the other games are (if any), but sadly, the dungeon issue is still there in the sequels. Just fair warning.

Well I can always cheat again if nothing else. Though it would be pretty unfortunate. I enjoy the story and the characters, even if some of them are a bit stereotypical, are fairly interesting as well.


Alright, but cheating won't give you more varied dungeons :tstick: . Although I *do* think there's a DLC pack for Re;birth 3 that greatly cuts down on grinding at least. Though I don't think it's free.

I haven't really had that precise thing happen, but it sounds kinda like the stability issues I did have with the series. Just out of curiosity, how long had you been playing? Just long enough to beat that tough enemy? Or was it longer than that?

Anyway, besides all that, I just hope that, if you get to Re;birth 3, you don't see how Iris Heart is and immediately go "What the hell does Earth see in her?! She's insane! And insanely terrible! And if Earth really sees her as a role model, she's fucked in the head too!" :pwink:

I'd been playing quite awhile. Several hours or so. (Enough to get from the start of the game to Green Heart's island without bothering to grind for levels.) Probably 5-6 but I'm not certain since the last time I paid any attention to the playtime on the menu it was a few minutes under four hours. I looked around though and this is definitely a known issue.

And I have Plutia as well as Peashy in my party on Re;Birth 1 due to dlc. Using both of them in fact because having three CPUs in battle at once is pretty useful. Especially since Peashy, despite looking to be even tinier than Blanc, is ridiculously strong, especially for breaking through the enemy's guard. And watching Plutia beat the crap out of enemies using a stuffed bear is hilarious.


Maybe these games do have memory leak issues then.

Also, as for my heroine, well...don't forget how different Iris Heart is in that form. Though if you used her HDD form, you might've heard some representative quotes from her :pwink: .

Except they're not really all that different. I mean, the event right before you learn the "voodoo doll" attack in Victory/Re;birth 3 has Plutia talking about how she likes to beat her dolls as stress relief (which isn't that far off from what I do, which is scream at the top of my lungs (if the coast is clear) and punch pillows; psychologists would classify those all as a defense mechanism called "acting out"). But, you know, that's kinda hard to tell with only battle quotes (Iris Heart's sadism is pretty well represented in her battle lines, though).
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Postby Alice » January 27th, 2017, 2:53 pm

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Alright, but cheating won't give you more varied dungeons :tstick: . Although I *do* think there's a DLC pack for Re;birth 3 that greatly cuts down on grinding at least. Though I don't think it's free.

Luckily the repetitive dungeons is at least one of my more minor gripes of the game. The grindiness is the biggest one.
Maybe these games do have memory leak issues then.

Also, as for my heroine, well...don't forget how different Iris Heart is in that form. Though if you used her HDD form, you might've heard some representative quotes from her :pwink: .

Except they're not really all that different. I mean, the event right before you learn the "voodoo doll" attack in Victory/Re;birth 3 has Plutia talking about how she likes to beat her dolls as stress relief (which isn't that far off from what I do, which is scream at the top of my lungs (if the coast is clear) and punch pillows; psychologists would classify those all as a defense mechanism called "acting out"). But, you know, that's kinda hard to tell with only battle quotes (Iris Heart's sadism is pretty well represented in her battle lines, though).

As it turns out there was apparently a save point just before this battle at least so I at least lost little progress. Totally forget there was a save there though, lol.

And yeah, I can see why she's your favorite, lol. Out of the CPUs Neptune's my favorite though she's definitely too random at times.

Also it turns out that if you win a battle you're intended to lose you apparently get literally nothing for it. No money, no experience, no items, nothing. That feels kinda cheap. (I mean if you weren't cheating like me, lol.)
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 27th, 2017, 3:34 pm

Alice wrote:And yeah, I can see why she's your favorite, lol. Out of the CPUs Neptune's my favorite though she's definitely too random at times.

Also it turns out that if you win a battle you're intended to lose you apparently get literally nothing for it. No money, no experience, no items, nothing. That feels kinda cheap. (I mean if you weren't cheating like me, lol.)


Hee hee...yay for you at least getting me :biggrin: ! And actually, I like Nep-nep as well; she's hilarious :biggrin: ! And, believe it or not, she can actually be kinda clever at times when she wants to be; like, this comic gets her mind down pretty pat:

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I like how one minute, she's saying "Nepu~" over and over like a happy idiot, the next, she figures out a loophole in Noire's challenge :pwink: (Noire never specified that it had to be her *human* form who's always saying that rather than her HDD form who never does). I think, in the comments, someone said she has been known to diet like that (normally she eats pudding like I eat pizza and drink soda). But, even though it's a fanwork, this really isn't that far off from her actual capabilities (I believe TV Tropes describes Neptune (as well as Plutia) as "Brilliant But Lazy" or something, though that may just have been the closest trope they had to how the Planeptune CPUs work and view work. But I would seriously say that when they're brilliant, they're brilliant...but then, the same could be said of Peter Griffin in Family Guy. Like that time he went undercover to stop kids from "doing Kermit". Or that time he revealed how he hides his porn stash in a cutaway gag. Or that time he and his wife...no wait, that was a different guy who looked like an ultra-tall Peter in a mustache. Incidentally, this last one's from one of my favorite episodes; people who can identify the episode that joke was from can probably easily see why it's a personal favorite :pwink: !)

Also also, that's kinda surprising that the first game is like that. Because I definitely got EXP and money for the first fight with Arfoire that you were meant to lose in the third game (and who CPU-less Neptune and Noire probably died to anyway, even if you used Histoire with her overpowered equipment for that point). But then, they're not the same game. So maybe Compile Heart changed their minds on that bit.

(Also also also, sorry for getting off-track with a comic and character analysis. Oh, and don't ask why Neptune and Noire are in Histoire's and Kei's, respectively, outfits. I don't know why either. Or maybe that's not Kei's outfit. I didn't really pay attention to her. Heck, I didn't know she wasn't a guy for a while!)
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Alice » January 27th, 2017, 6:56 pm

EarthPhantomTS wrote:And, believe it or not, she can actually be kinda clever at times when she wants to be

She's one of those sorts whose not actually stupid at all and can be quite perceptive but good luck getting them to actually focus on something well enough to make use of those skills. And if we include the non-CPU characters I'd have to place IF at the top of the list. Kinda feel bad for her at times since she tends to be the only character who actually has anything resembling common sense half the time. Also Blanc's pretty hilarious even if she's an overused character archetype. (And only just now, partially due to those two guys serving Blanc who defected to Vert which I just got through recently did I just realize that apparently my favorite three characters in the game are also the flattest of the main cast, lol.)

Also I'm starting to approach where I was at when I stopped playing last time. I forget how much further along I was but this is getting there. (Just getting to the start of the part where you finally have access to all four CPUs at once.) Remembered one other thing that burnt me out a bit on the game around this point too. Where the first three islands have 2-3 dungeons or so Lowee is by far the most egregious one when it comes to repetitiveness. It does technically have two different dungeons. However both are nearly identical with the main difference being one of them has an additional mostly empty side area across a thin and easy to overlook bridge. I can stand somewhat repetitive but having to go through the same exact area like four times in a row for the storyline in Lowee was just awful design.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 27th, 2017, 7:20 pm

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:And, believe it or not, she can actually be kinda clever at times when she wants to be

She's one of those sorts whose not actually stupid at all and can be quite perceptive but good luck getting them to actually focus on something well enough to make use of those skills.


Yeah, that's about right. Plutie, meanwhile, seems too tired to think most of the time (and the times she's not? Well, she's Iris Heart then). So yes, they both could be described as "Brilliant but Lazy" :biggrin: .

Alice wrote:I can stand somewhat repetitive but having to go through the same exact area like four times in a row for the storyline in Lowee was just awful design.


Yeah, that's...kinda dumb. Have to agree with you on that.

P.S. Keep in mind, when I say "kinda" like this, I often mean "totally"
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Alice » January 27th, 2017, 8:43 pm

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Yeah, that's...kinda dumb. Have to agree with you on that.

P.S. Keep in mind, when I say "kinda" like this, I often mean "totally"

Really if they solved the issue with so much repetitiveness in the dungeons it'd be a fantastic game. It's got an interesting, if somewhat cliched, story, decent artwork and graphics, and the game mechanics themselves are very good. Just the game's way too repetitive.

And there's another enemy forgetting to actually take its turn. It must be like you said, a memory leak. It happens after I've been playing for awhile and when I go to close out of the game it freezes. And this time it happened after a bunch of dialogue too. I had just started the Lastation technology exhibition bit of the game. Looks like the issue may be fairly reliable though. I'll just need to pay attention to my current session timer and make sure to restart the game after no more than 6 hours to be safe.
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Postby Alice » January 27th, 2017, 9:04 pm

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/f ... =711065254

Interestingly I just stumbled across this. Strangely the only part of the common causes that I meet is Windows 10 but that was an issue back when I was on Windows 7 too. I may have to try the priority fix they give though. One of the comments says that even setting it to high priority seems to fix the bug for the most part. Which suggests the issue isn't actually a memory leak but something else. Though what that is I honestly couldn't say.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 27th, 2017, 9:54 pm

Alice wrote:http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=711065254

Interestingly I just stumbled across this. Strangely the only part of the common causes that I meet is Windows 10 but that was an issue back when I was on Windows 7 too. I may have to try the priority fix they give though. One of the comments says that even setting it to high priority seems to fix the bug for the most part. Which suggests the issue isn't actually a memory leak but something else. Though what that is I honestly couldn't say.


Well, with this, I can only speculate. Now I have no idea what the root cause is. But, hopefully, this works for you.

Though, if it doesn't, hopefully this will help make you feel better (don't worry, it's not lewd. It's just Plutie hugging Neptune while she's trying to drive (or play Mario Kart with a steering wheel controller, it looks more like, based on what Neppy says about "beating Lowee's champion")):

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Adorable, huh? Even if it is dangerous.

Anyway, on another topic, I'm now at the part in Dragon Quest VIII where I'm gonna get the ship. Yeah, I play slowly, so what? Mostly I'm focused on the Avernum Remix mod; seems pretty cool so far, like I said. Though I'm not too far in it either, but I'm excited to see what Slarty did with some of the things. I settled on playing an archer as my "unconventional weapon" user, rather than a pole weapon wielder. I figured that would provide a more interesting experience, and it'd also give a use to all the ordinarily near-pointless Dexterity improving stuffs.

As it happens, archery was mainly improved by having shots randomly deal a large amount of bonus damage. Kinda like a critical hit, but it's separate from that, so I think crits can happen on the same attack still. The guy said he did it that way because of how arrows can either be devastating, if well-placed, or can strike glancing blows if they aren't. Though I'd argue swords and guns and such are like that too, but I probably would say arrows are much more so in that regard.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Alice » January 28th, 2017, 6:58 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Well, with this, I can only speculate. Now I have no idea what the root cause is. But, hopefully, this works for you.

I only just got up so I haven't had time to test it but if it does work then it suggests the problem actually isn't memory related. Which does make some amount of sense actually. When it happens the game gets soft-locked. Animations still play and music still plays as well. The only odd things that happen are that the enemy never takes its turn and when you try to exit it asks if you want to exit then it freezes when you click okay. A memory leak should result in the game getting laggier and laggier until it freezes. This would suggest that there's actually some other issue which causes the game to get out of sync with itself or something. For example one thing that comes to mind that could possibly somehow happen here is that the AI actually tries to make the enemy take its turn before it's actually time to do so and as such it doesn't know what to do afterwards. This could also potentially explain why setting the game to higher priority would help fix the issue as well. Since it can be more guaranteed to proceed through things as expected things are far less likely to fall out of sync.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 28th, 2017, 8:36 am

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Well, with this, I can only speculate. Now I have no idea what the root cause is. But, hopefully, this works for you.

I only just got up so I haven't had time to test it but if it does work then it suggests the problem actually isn't memory related. Which does make some amount of sense actually. When it happens the game gets soft-locked. Animations still play and music still plays as well. The only odd things that happen are that the enemy never takes its turn and when you try to exit it asks if you want to exit then it freezes when you click okay. A memory leak should result in the game getting laggier and laggier until it freezes. This would suggest that there's actually some other issue which causes the game to get out of sync with itself or something. For example one thing that comes to mind that could possibly somehow happen here is that the AI actually tries to make the enemy take its turn before it's actually time to do so and as such it doesn't know what to do afterwards. This could also potentially explain why setting the game to higher priority would help fix the issue as well. Since it can be more guaranteed to proceed through things as expected things are far less likely to fall out of sync.


Maybe that's it; who knows? I'm just kinda disappointed at how...unstable...these games can be at times. But then, Bethesda is pretty infamous for that sort of thing (hell, even the original Fallout games were pretty badly coded at times...and yes, I've had similar instability issues with Fallout 1 and 2).

Anyway, don't have too much to say on that. How about instead I talk about my experiences with the Avernum Remix mod thus far? Spoilers because this got longer than I intended at first.

Well, currently, there's a few things that stick out. For one, my archer is doing the most single-target damage right now. When the bow actually works as intended. I'm also trying to have her be a dodgy tank (because, even if that doesn't work on bosses, it tends to work fine on normal enemies), but I haven't actually noticed her getting hit less often. But then, I haven't been counting, so it's probably an illusion and I should start counting the times the car's not at the corner as well. Err...I mean, the times she doesn't get hit. Another thing is that armor and shields are heavier. I'm...not so sure about this change, though. I get why he did it, but really? Shields didn't weigh all that much (we're talking, a wooden shield weighs 12 pounds, when in reality, that would be unusually heavy for a wooden shield. Though, looking in my Pathfinder rulebook, I see it's not as much an overestimate as I thought at first: they have large wooden shields weighing 10 pounds, and D&D's usually pretty accurate about this stuff, contrary to popular belief). But then, the game already oversized many a weapon (for instance, a Steel Broadsword is 9 pounds in the game, even though 4 or 5 would be more realistic for a one-handed sword actually meant for combat), so whatever. It sucks, though, that my mage can't use shields anymore. Though it might not be as worth it because shields also now provide a Parry bonus instead of an armor bonus. Which is really nice for front-line types, but Parry is less likely to come into play with rearguard mages (it'll still matter at times, though). Speaking of Parry and changed items, I noticed the Shielding Knife also gives a Parry bonus instead of an armor bonus now. Which I don't really mind either way. When I got it, I gave it to the archer, who's gonna be tanking a bit (least, that's the intent) and who won't be using melee weapons. Also, one item change that I really like is the Apprentice Belt now gives +2 Spellcraft (you know, the skill that increases spell power by a percentage) rather than +1 Magical Efficiency (a skill that's often completely unnecessary because SP usage is not that big a deal in this game). And finally, on the "magical items I've actually gotten that have been changed", we have the Shining Silver Band, which is now +2 Luck instead of +10 Cold Resist (which, well...I'm kinda neutral on. I'd love it if this were Avernum 2: Crystal Souls's Luck, which apparently gives +1% damage to all attack forms in addition to +1% resistance to all defenses. But, as it is, it looks about as useful as it was before, just different).

One thing that's interesting, though, is that Jeff Vogel actually took a few ideas from this mod to better balance Avernum 2: Crystal Souls. Though there are some things where it feels like he did it in a half-hearted way; for instance, in A2: CS, Bows simply give a boost to critical hit chance. Though this'll apply regardless of whether you were using the Bow or not. Although shields are really nice in A2: CS, because they give both Parry and Armor there. Even though just Parry would probably be the most realistic of the three.


Or if not that, we could talk about fanworks for Hyperdimension Neptunia some more :pwink: ! No, you're...probably tired of me gushing about every scrap of Iris Heart fanart I can find :tundecided: . But...maybe one or two more adorable (as opposed to sexy) pics would be fine:

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Cute, huh? But...my dirty mind is coming up with some...less than SFW reasons she's wearing Neptune's clothes. Not gonna elaborate

Well, regardless, time to go back to the more sexual stuffs that I'm reluctant to post here :biggrin: !
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Alice » January 28th, 2017, 9:15 am

EarthPhantomTS wrote:Cute, huh? But...my dirty mind is coming up with some...less than SFW reasons she's wearing Neptune's clothes. Not gonna elaborate

It took me much longer than it should have to realize those were Neptune's clothes, lol. They're weirdly fitting for her.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 28th, 2017, 9:41 am

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Cute, huh? But...my dirty mind is coming up with some...less than SFW reasons she's wearing Neptune's clothes. Not gonna elaborate

It took me much longer than it should have to realize those were Neptune's clothes, lol. They're weirdly fitting for her.


Maybe you're as tired as Plutia then :pwink: ?

Nah, I kid. But I can see what you mean. My guess? It's the hair. Those clothes go great with that hair color and style (hence why Neptune wears them :tstick: !).
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Postby Alice » January 28th, 2017, 6:38 pm

Finally beat the game. Though I do know there's a true ending to get. Need to go double check what the requirements are exactly but I think they were getting the "others" shares down to 0% and having all four lands at 20% shares or higher in which case I just need to get Lowee and Leanbox up and get the "others" shares down from 37%. (Also I was noticing something a bit strange. Planeptune is the only land that doesn't start with L for some reason.)

Also this last section reminded me of where exactly I quit. There was the bit I'd previously mentioned but I still stuck it out a bit longer. The place I specifically quit was where the party splits up to hunt down the fakes in each land. Lastation was my first stop and the dungeon you have to go through for that is just bad. It's a two-part warehouse and the warehouse is the single most egregious instance of repetitiveness in the game to begin with. A lot of fields have two different layouts but the warehouse is a single layout and it's quite tiny on top of that.
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I'm always tired, lol. (Oh wait, so is Plutia according to her dialog in battle.)
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Postby Alice » January 30th, 2017, 9:24 pm

The grinding in Hyperdimension really is rather ridiculous, lol. I'm on my second play through (mostly because dealing with the shares through another play while skipping the dialogue and being massively overpowered was very simple) and I'm still struggling to unlock most of the unlockables. When it comes to the equipment unlockables this is shitty because by the time you get everything you need to unlock them they're completely obsolete. This is even more true for someone who's on a new game+ since you'll start with the endgame gear you can't avoid having. Would've been nice if you could get these things a lot earlier in the game because at that point they'd have been actually useful.

And speaking of grinding there's some shit I'd never have accomplished normally. For example you can get plans for a Noire only CPU set that you can only craft if Lastation's shares are above 35%. (Which strangely enough seems to be where ALL the shares I'm taking from the other category keep ending up despite me just randomly completing quests.) On top of it requiring so many shares there's one part of it that requires an item that's only found through treasure scans. On top of this it's a rare drop from the treasure scans and it's in the second area of the Naasne Volcano.
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Those stars are the treasure scan points. Only one of those will have treasure per trip through the dungeon. And you can't tell which until you scan them unless you have a specific plan unlocked. (Which thankfully I fucking do because otherwise I would never had done this.) Even using a guide to locate the item, having the plan unlocked that makes the treasure point show up on the map immediately, being massively overpowered for the dungeon, and warping out instead of walking out it still took me 12 trips to finally get the stupid thing. (Over 20 minutes going through the dungeon repeatedly. Especially since the first enemy in the dungeon is nearly impossible to avoid if you just try to run right past it.) That's not to mention some of the other grinding. Thankfully most of it was easy when using a guide to locate the necessary enemies or gather points. The big issue was the illegal SSD items it required. There's 6 pieces to the set and each piece requires three illegal SSDs. There's only one gather point which drops those which drops one or two of them about 2/3rds of the time which is luckily just shortly into the dungeon it's in. On top of that there's two enemies on that path which also drop the item but they do so fairly rarely, about a third of the time. And only one per enemy.

Overall it took me a good 40-45 minutes to gather all the items only for it to turn out that the set's not even all that great. It's alright if you're focusing on Noire's magic-type attacks but her magic-type attacks aren't as good as her physical ones. Though this is also ignoring the fact I don't use Noire anyways, lol. I'm still using Blanc and Vert because I couldn't be bothered switching Vert out for Peashy and Vert does actually have some good buff abilities for difficult fights. Plus when I retooled her to focus on magic-type attacks she got a lot more powerful. (While Blanc is still significantly more powerful despite being 4-5 levels below her. Blanc has 15000hp to Vert's high 9000s and deals, on average, 12000-15000 damage from her power attack to Vert's 6000-12000.)

Also unlocked Uni since I got Lastation's shares up to 50%. I'd like to get the others as well but getting shares up that high is really quite tedious. I only did it with Lastation because I ended up at like 46% for Lastation purely on accident. Getting another 4% was quite trivial. Almost got all the dungeons unlocked finally too. I'm missing like 4-5 more at this point. I have the plans for about half of them but I have yet to even obtain the plans for the others. (Which reminds me, another reason I did a new game+ was because I somehow missed a vital plan in chapter 5 that was stopping me from unlocking further dungeons. After I went and got that plan I unlocked 2-3 more dungeons almost immediately with the item I got from the enemy it added.) I've also been working on the colosseum since I got that unlocked due to said plan as well. Finished all the non-S rank fights there and finished all fights below level 200 or 300, though I think the minimum recommended levels for the fights REALLY need some work. When it says "minimum recommended level: 95" and the enemies are one-shotting Blanc at level 105 and Vert at level 110 while both are in HDD mode then there's an issue.
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby EarthPhantomTS » January 30th, 2017, 11:05 pm

Alice wrote:The grinding in Hyperdimension really is rather ridiculous, lol.


Maybe you need some training in patience from Madame Goddess:

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...Nah, just kidding! I just wanted an excuse to show you guys that pic. But yeah, I can see what you mean. It is kinda silly how grindy the game is, or can be, and this is coming from a fan of both Disgaea and Dragon Quest (well...not the first one, though...there, not only is the grinding ridiculous, but you had rather few battle options so it was just a matter of your stats vs. your enemies' stats)! But, I'm of the mind that it's worth it in the end, especially considering how sexy the games can get Image (even Arfoire, who many characters in game call an "old hag", I see as quite a cougar Image! Though maybe that's partly because I like scene girls, and her "witch" thing fits in with that)
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Re: Video games! What have you been playing?

Postby Speedless » January 31st, 2017, 5:55 am

The quest for SMBX episodes that go well with the Mario Challenge is a little trickier when the character you like doing the Mario Challenge with is Snake. I'm trying out ASMBXT now, but it has a good few character-filtering levels (which I often skip when I'm trying to do a full challenge as the character I actually picked), and a surprising number of levels just don't work thanks to Snake's inability to use springboards properly. I had one run of XutaWoo's level Block Overhang where I almost made it out of the first section looking really cool, using a Para-Furba that spawned from Snake's stealth gimmick to enemy-hop over a pretty wide gap between ladders... but then I think I got hit by another one a few seconds later, and all the other takes ended with Para-Furbas raining from the sky, so I decided to reroll that one this time around.

In other news, Valdis Story remains quite pleasant on Hard. Full-Luck Gilda gets a surprising amount of mileage out of the Gladiator Vest (an armor that doesn't raise either of her "main" stats) against bosses when she's mostly spamming her regular attack--the free Focus Mode gives her a much-needed heal, especially against Shu Gohth (who ordinarily just destroys anyone who doesn't have an elixir to avoid getting poisoned).

Alice wrote:On top of it requiring so many shares there's one part of it that requires an item that's only found through treasure scans. On top of this it's a rare drop from the treasure scans and it's in the second area of the Naasne Volcano.

Even using a guide to locate the item, having the plan unlocked that makes the treasure point show up on the map immediately, being massively overpowered for the dungeon, and warping out instead of walking out it still took me 12 trips to finally get the stupid thing. (Over 20 minutes going through the dungeon repeatedly. Especially since the first enemy in the dungeon is nearly impossible to avoid if you just try to run right past it.)

Ah, rare drops/spawns. On the whole, they have a bad habit of not being all that useful for the amount of time it takes to actively try to get them.

I've also been working on the colosseum since I got that unlocked due to said plan as well. Finished all the non-S rank fights there and finished all fights below level 200 or 300, though I think the minimum recommended levels for the fights REALLY need some work. When it says "minimum recommended level: 95" and the enemies are one-shotting Blanc at level 105 and Vert at level 110 while both are in HDD mode then there's an issue.

Maybe it's the "minimum recommended level for players who already know the game at least as well as QubicTom knows Crash Team Racing"? Could be the same sort of thing that happens when a Mario level maker tunes a level's difficulty based on their own experience testing it.

It's a bit like the Nintendo Power guide for the Gen I Pokemon games recommending a level-45 team for the Elite Four, when (at least in Yellow, if you actually stayed with the starter Pikachu, which I always did) level 55 always seemed significantly safer back then. I think I've actually defeated that Elite Four with a team not far from level 45 now, but of course I knew the game a lot better when I did it, and my team probably had better stats and coverage moves. Perhaps most importantly, I stopped trying to use Wing Attack (which was no better than Peck in Gen I for some silly reason).

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Yes, that was certainly the case in the NES version of Dragon Warrior (I & II didn't seem too bad). And to make things worse, as I recall, Hurtmore's usefulness was pretty limited as well, since you needed your MP to heal. HCBailly did some amazing things with Sleep in his LP, though. I'm pretty sure he ran all the way to Rimuldar at an outrageously low level using that, and I don't think it stopped there!

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Speedless wrote:Ah, rare drops/spawns. On the whole, they have a bad habit of not being all that useful for the amount of time it takes to actively try to get them.

I admittedly have some of the better stuff compared to the one I grinded for anyways but even if you took that away I still had other stuff that was at least as good or better anyways. Considering this is stuff that requires you to be at or near the end of the game to get all the required items anyways it's seriously underwhelming. Each CPU has one set of plans for processor units (except Neptune who has two and her set named for her city is actually not one of the planned sets) that I've come across so you'd think that those sets would actually be a bit more worthwhile.
Maybe it's the "minimum recommended level for players who already know the game at least as well as QubicTom knows Crash Team Racing"? Could be the same sort of thing that happens when a Mario level maker tunes a level's difficulty based on their own experience testing it.

I dunno. It definitely seems unbalanced either way though. There's no reason that a character that's 10-15 levels above what's recommended, has good armor, and is a tanky melee type to begin with should be getting one-shotted by melee attacks while in HDD form (which increases your defenses) like that. The higher level ones seem to have a similar issue, though the fact that I was taking in a level 800 character and two level 100ish characters would have some bearing in that case. I tried a recommended level 600 fight because I wanted its reward item (turned out to be far easier to grind in a dungeon, lol...) and the enemies were doing ~20% of Neptune's health per hit while in HDD form (plus there were four of them, two of which would get two turns before Neptune would get her second and all of which would move before the lower level characters) while her 2 EXE overdrive attack, which is the most powerful one in the game for any character from what I've seen, only did ~10% of their health. And this is when I had her geared specifically towards melee attack damage too plus she's wielding a weapon that's quite a bit stronger than the endgame one you normally get before the final dungeon. (Around twice as strong iirc.)

Edit: It also doesn't help that for some reason Blanc and, especially, Neptune are both a shit load slower than other characters. Neptune with a level 5 wait time down game disc and a back row support character that also improves wait times is still slower than Vert without any wait time down buffs. And Vert is only slightly faster than your average enemy. You'd think agility might have something to do with how quickly characters take their turns but it seems to have no effect on turn order whatsoever.
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Not going to bother with unlocking Nepgear and the rest of the optional CPUs cause it'd just be too tedious. Although I would like to but it'd just be too grindy to get the different shares up to 50%, gather whatever materials are necessary, and then get them back to 20+% for the true ending. Though maybe it'd be an option on another play through. I'd need a third play through for the memory for one of them anyways. Completely prepared for the true ending now though which is enough for me.
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And there we go. Done. Though it turns out the unlockable CPUs actually do have bits of dialogue during the ending. Nothing particularly major but still. Now I think I'll move on to Hyperdimension Re;Birth 2.
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » February 1st, 2017, 12:46 am

Alice wrote:And there we go. Done. Though it turns out the unlockable CPUs actually do have bits of dialogue during the ending. Nothing particularly major but still. Now I think I'll move on to Hyperdimension Re;Birth 2.


Well, good luck, have fun, and say "Hi Image!" to Nepgear, Underling, and CFW Magic for me!

(Also, I feel kinda embarrassed that you're ahead of me on those games...me, the resident Iris Heart devotee! Though I guess it's kinda my fault, since I play these games slowly and I play a lot of games at once :tundecided: )
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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Well, good luck, have fun, and say "Hi Image!" to Nepgear, Underling, and CFW Magic for me!

I'm actually enjoying it so far. Finding it a bit weird that Planeptune and Leanbox have apparently been switched around on the map and Ram and Uni have some very serious personality flaws compared to their sisters but the gameplay and story so far has been interesting, if a bit more serious than the last game. (It doesn't help that Red, one of the comic relief characters who joins your party early on, just gets on my nerves with her constant "I'll make all the CPU candidates my wifey!" stuff constantly. That's partly due to her voice being legitimately annoying.) Also I'm not minding the dungeons quite so much so far. Though I'm not terribly far in the game yet so I may just not have come across the repetitive ones just yet. Seems like grinding will be a bit less of a concern as well with the Stella's*Dungeon minigame.
(Also, I feel kinda embarrassed that you're ahead of me on those games...me, the resident Iris Heart devotee! Though I guess it's kinda my fault, since I play these games slowly and I play a lot of games at once :tundecided: )

Yeah, it's kinda how I do games. I tend not to play games much but when I really get into one then I tend to play it quite a lot until I beat it. I'm just hoping I don't lose steam before I can get through all three. Especially since I'm kinda a bit confused on one important bit between the true ending of the first game (or even the bad ending really since it could still technically apply there) and the second game's villain. I'm sure that'll be explained before too terribly long though.

Edit: Just realized that if I'm fine with artificially inflating my playtime (I am since I don't really care about play time) I can just leave the game running in the background even when I'm not actively playing so I can deal with the Stella's Dungeon stuff and get a bunch of items and materials. That'll actually help even more with the grindiness.
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » February 1st, 2017, 6:29 pm

Alice wrote:
EarthPhantomTS wrote:Well, good luck, have fun, and say "Hi Image!" to Nepgear, Underling, and CFW Magic for me!

I'm actually enjoying it so far. Finding it a bit weird that Planeptune and Leanbox have apparently been switched around on the map and Ram and Uni have some very serious personality flaws compared to their sisters but the gameplay and story so far has been interesting, if a bit more serious than the last game. (It doesn't help that Red, one of the comic relief characters who joins your party early on, just gets on my nerves with her constant "I'll make all the CPU candidates my wifey!" stuff constantly. That's partly due to her voice being legitimately annoying.) Also I'm not minding the dungeons quite so much so far. Though I'm not terribly far in the game yet so I may just not have come across the repetitive ones just yet. Seems like grinding will be a bit less of a concern as well with the Stella's*Dungeon minigame.


Aww, I like Red :tsad: ; I think she's hilarious, and she and I can easily bond over perving out at all the sexy girls in this series (I know I wouldn't mind marrying ALL the girls!) Image!

But it's good to hear that you're enjoying the game so far.
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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Aww, I like Red :tsad: ; I think she's hilarious, and she and I can easily bond over perving out at all the sexy girls in this series (I know I wouldn't mind marrying ALL the girls!) Image!

But it's good to hear that you're enjoying the game so far.

Like I mentioned, her voice is really grating on the ears to me. Her complete inability to actually think is also a huge put off for me. (I don't mind dumb characters but when their idiocy limits them entirely to hitting on other characters or suggesting beating someone up and nothing else it gets old very quickly.) On top of that characters that are that over the top about it even when it's irrelevant at best tend to detract from things for me. I recently watched the A Certain Magical Index and A Certain Scientific Railgun series recently and despite being overall my favorite character, Kuroko seriously got on my nerves, in the first season of Railgun especially, with how she always acts around Misaka, the character who she likes.

I ended up replacing Red as soon as Broccoli joined my party. She wasn't terribly useful in combat anyways since she seems to be a strange combination of a strength-focused character put has quite a few magic-based attacks. And even when using physical attacks she wasn't doing particularly well. Even Compa, who has been one of my worst characters since the beginning of the game, is far more useful in combat even if you exclude Compa's healing and buff abilities. (Though Compa is ridiculously fragile. I've had around 15 KOs so far and about a dozen of those are Compa with two being IF and one being Red.)
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Postby EarthPhantomTS » February 1st, 2017, 7:29 pm

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EarthPhantomTS wrote:Aww, I like Red :tsad: ; I think she's hilarious, and she and I can easily bond over perving out at all the sexy girls in this series (I know I wouldn't mind marrying ALL the girls!) Image!

But it's good to hear that you're enjoying the game so far.

Like I mentioned, her voice is really grating on the ears to me. Her complete inability to actually think is also a huge put off for me. (I don't mind dumb characters but when their idiocy limits them entirely to hitting on other characters or suggesting beating someone up and nothing else it gets old very quickly.) On top of that characters that are that over the top about it even when it's irrelevant at best tend to detract from things for me. I recently watched the A Certain Magical Index and A Certain Scientific Railgun series recently and despite being overall my favorite character, Kuroko seriously got on my nerves, in the first season of Railgun especially, with how she always acts around Misaka, the character who she likes.


I can't help but feel like that's a criticism of me. I mean, I know I can be almost as bad as Red sometimes :tundecided: . And if not, then...how is it that you can stand me, but not Red? That's kinda weird, actually
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EarthPhantomTS wrote:I can't help but feel like that's a criticism of me. I mean, I know I can be almost as bad as Red sometimes :tundecided: . And if not, then...how is it that you can stand me, but not Red? That's kinda weird, actually

That's 100% of her characterization and she forces it at all times regardless of how relevant it is. Usually what you do is at least tangentially relevant. There's also more to you than what there is to her as well.
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I'm kinda curious on a few things. The first is whether or not Re;Birth 2 is actually supposed to be a sequel to the first. It seems more like a completely alternate timeline instead though. Right off the bat Compa and IF both fail to recognize the name Arfoire despite that being the villain's name in Re;Birth. Later on they also fail to recognize the killachine enemy despite it being a fairly major enemy at several points in the story of Re;Birth. Not to mention that, for some reason, the killachines in this one seem to be centuries old. The final thing that really seems to seal the deal though is that there's optional events you can view between Nepgear and the other party members. One of the ones between her, IF, and Compa, goes over how they all met. In this version they met Neptune and Nepgear a short timespan apart from each other and Compa and IF were already good friends before this point. In Re;Birth Compa meets Neptune before IF does and Neptune/Compa first meet IF at the same time. And Nepgear doesn't come into play until near the end of the game, and that's only if you even bother getting her.

The other thing is that I'm kinda curious how long this one is in comparison to Re;Birth. My current play time is 18 hours but a large chunk of that is leaving the game open in the background for Stella's Dungeon. I've only got like 10-12 hours into the game at most but I'm already up to like chapter 5 and accomplished one of the two major goals of the game. I dunno how many chapters the game has but there were 8 chapters in Re;Birth. The way the story seems to be going at the moment it actually doesn't seem like the game could be a whole ton longer unless something really unexpected comes up.
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Postby Alice » February 2nd, 2017, 7:15 pm

Turns out that Re;Birth 2 actually is quite a bit shorter than the first one. Got the normal ending. I think that overall I enjoyed it more though. The extra characters who help you out throughout the game aren't just totally randomly there for seemingly no reason and it feels a lot less grindy overall and generally more well-balanced. The dungeons didn't feel as overly repetitive either even though there were still several doubles and a few were even copied verbatim from the first game. (Virtua Forest is using a repaletted map of Lowee Snowfield, for example. There's also a something or other #60 dungeon which uses the warehouse dungeon from the first game except with the big side room that makes up a third of the map being closed off taking the smallest dungeon from the first game and making it even smaller somehow...)

It had more interesting characters in general and fewer obnoxious ones as well. Cave and 5pb. were my favorite side characters and changing it so you could use all four CPU candidates in battle was a good choice. And they all differ so much (except Ram and Rom both being mages, which is weird just because you'd think the younger sisters of Blanc of all people, at the very least Ram who gets her temper and bad attitude, would be more physical types like her) that they end up complimenting each other fairly well as well.

Overall I have 30 hours logged in the game with around 15-18 of those being actual play time with the rest being me letting it idle in the background for Stella's Dungeon. I'll probably spend a fair bit more time on this one though rather than going straight for the final ending. There seems to be a bit more to do with Stella's Dungeon and I'm fairly sure I only got like one or two of the optional dungeons. I also may go for unlocking the oracles (basically this game's version of the sisters) since doing quests is generally a shit load easier. The coliseum will help with that too since it looks to be a fair bit more balanced rather than consisting of like 1/3rd level 300+ fights with a good third of those being capped at level 999.
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Postby Alice » February 5th, 2017, 2:18 pm

Man, how annoying. Yesterday I took a break from Re;Birth 2 because I really wasn't feeling very well. Today I mostly focused on fulfilling the requirements for the true end. I decided to go for unlocking the oracles too since one of the requirements was unlocking the CPU for each nation anyways. CPU requires 50% shares and oracle requires 75% shares. With the help of the colosseum this wasn't a huge issue in the end. Though I did a detour in order to unlock the break damage limit plan. (It was getting old very frequently dealing 9999 damage to an enemy, especially when said enemies frequently have 40-60k health.) In the process I got the materials for the destroy symbols plan and I found and got the materials for the destroy symbols gains plan. Destroy symbols means when you do a successful symbol attack before entering battle it flat out destroys the enemy instead but you don't get any items, XP, or money from it. The other plan makes it so you do get those things still. Since I had the required items I crafted it without even checking how much memory I had left which just barely put me under what I needed for the fourth oracle.

After that I decided to finish up the rest of the requirements for the true ending only to completely overlook the fact that Nepgear needs a lily rank of 4 with every character. Counting 2/3 oracles I unlocked (Histoire starts at a lily rank of 4 or 5) as well as the three additional CPUs (though luckily Vert is already above that limit at least) as well as three additional characters unlocked by getting non-Planeptune nations to 25% or 30% shares that leaves me with 8 total characters below a lily rank of 4 required to unlock the final chapter. Unfortunately I didn't notice this until after getting back to the ending and having to sit through the outro too. I'm hoping that for all this trouble I can at least get ~300mb of plan memory so I can get back up to enough to unlock Kei in the next chapter though.


Edit: Also I was noticing something kinda odd but hilarious. The jumping mechanic from the previous game is still in this one despite the fact I have yet to see a single spot it even serves any purpose at all. In addition the plan to increase your jump height is also still in the game despite serving even less purpose than it already did. (In the first game it adds a small handful of fairly useless shortcuts as well as being the only way to reach the other half of like two dungeons.) Also there's a shit load of characters. I currently have 20, I'll have 21 if I can unlock Kei. 10 of those characters are completely optional.
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Postby Alice » February 6th, 2017, 2:44 pm

And finished the true ending. Unlocked all but one dungeon as well. It required some plans that I should have been able to get in chapter 2 but which apparently didn't show up for me despite its only requirement being that you're on a new game plus. Ending's pretty interesting but there's a lot of completely unnecessary fan service scenes in the last part of the game which is a bit annoying. Overall I had 77 hours and just under 45 minutes of playtime. Though around half of that was due to that Stella's Dungeon thing running in the background. The other day I didn't even actually play the game because I had a headache for most of the day and still got like 12-13 hours of playtime due to Stella's Dungeon. Next up is Re;Birth 3. Overall I'd say that Re;Birth 2 was an improvement on Re;Birth (most notably with the grindiness which only started being a concern at all in the endgame but which was massively reduced through the destroy symbols+destroy symbols gains plans) but it also had its issues with characters like Red and CFW Trick or the cliched fan service scenes which hopefully won't be so annoying in the next game.
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